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Group Effort August 13, 2008

Posted by Becca in Write On Wednesday.
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Earlier this summer I listented to an audio book called Hidden Talents, a novel about a rather disparate bunch of people who come together via a little writer’s group at a local bookshop.  Over the course of a year or so, not only do they become better writers (one even gets a book published!), but they become fast friends, learning from each other about plot and characterization, but also about life, love, and family relationships.

So I’ve been thinking longingly about a writer’s group, wishing I could find such a band of hearty souls with whom to share words and wisdom.  Now, don’t be offended – of course all my blogging friends are priceless! But actually meeting face to face with other writers would add an entirely new dimension to the experience. I’ve never had a writing friend, but I’ve certainly had lots of musical friends.  Working together creatively to achieve a common goal is exciting and energizing, and I’d really love to bring that dynamic into my writing practice.

So I was quite excited earlier this week when I saw a flyer posted in my favorite local coffee house:

First Cup  Writer’s Group, Sunday 2:30 p.m.

Open to all fledgling writers

Bring 2-3 pages of something you’re working on to share

We’ll also be discussing Elmore Leonard’s book, Rules for Writing

Yes! I thought, initially filled with enthusiasm.  I certainly have some pages I could share.  And I love First Cup – my favorite barista, Amy, is a writer, so I assumed she was responsible for starting this group.  Then the doubts set in.  But what if they’re all much better than I?  What if they’re pompous and sarcastic and nitpicky and mean…

When Sunday afternoon rolled around,  I had talked myself in and out of going about five times.  As I was dithering around the house, my husband wisely suggested I casually head over to First Cup as I often do on a Sunday afternoon, and spy on quietly observe  the group.  

Superb advice.  The “group” turned out to be three teenagers and the “leader,” a woman of about 35.  (I overheard someone say that Amy wasn’t coming, since she couldn’t get a babysitter.)  In the 30 minutes I listened in, the “discussion” was interrupted three times by cell phone calls, and the topics ranged from the troubles of another member who was apparently having a nervous breakdown, problems getting babysitters, the perfect shade of blue for bedroom curtains, and what classes to register for during your first semester at college.  I did hear one member read about two paragraphs of her story, about which no one had any comment. The “leader,” with much preparatory disclaiming, proceeded to read a bit of her “work in progress.”  However, at just that moment a customer ordered two pounds of coffee beans “ground fine,” so the incessant buzz of the grinder put paid to hearing any of this masterpiece.

Needless to say, I came home very glad I hadn’t let myself in for any of that, and pleased as punch I had taken my husband’s advice and “laid low” for the first meeting.

But the experience started me thinking about what I would want in a “real” writing group, things like these:

  • Size: It should be small – five or six people at most;
  • Rules: There should be definite rules about critique, at least in the beginning.  Comments should be time limited, and only one person talks at a time.  Perhaps a critique form should be followed ~ what works/doesn’t work about the selection, what does the reader need to know more about, what details or sentences are particularly effective~rather than just blanket statements;
  • Genre Specific: The group members should be writing the kinds of things they appreciate reading.  I’m not sure if I could be competently critique a science fiction, fantasy, or western writer, because I don’t read those genres.

And perhaps the most important question – what do I really want to gain?  Do I want honest feedback from other writers, people who aren’t quite editors, but whose realistic and honest opinion could be helpful in honing my work.  Or do I want, as Anne Lamott puts it, to “hang out with all these other people, maybe with another  writer you respect, to get and give response and encouragement, and to hear how other people tell their stories.”  (Bird by Bird)

Thinking back to the characters in Hidden Talents, the most appealing thing about their group was the sense of camraderie which developed as they worked at their craft, the relationships which helped them become better writers, that encouraged them to keep working and take pride and satisfaction in the process, not just in whether their work was published.  Having a supportive writing group or partner allows ideas to fly around the room like sparks from a holiday sparkler.  It helps you see things differently.  It helps you keep going when the words start to dry up.  A group something like this one that Lamott describes:

There are four people, three women and one man, who met in one of my classes and who have been meeting as a group for four years.  I see them together in bookstores or cafes, where they sit at tables with wine or coffee and go over each other’s work, offer criticism and encouragement, ask questions, and figure out where to go next.  They do not actually edit each other’s drafts, but they listen to each other’s work and help each other keep at it.

They’ve gone from being four tense, slightly conceited lonely people who wanted to write to one of those weird little families we fashion out of whoever’s around us.  They’re very tender with one another.  They still look forward to their meetings after all these years.  They are better writers and better people because of their work with each other.

They are better writers and better people because of their work with each other.  What could be a better goal for a writing group - or any group for that matter? 

 

How about you? Have you ever belonged to a writer’s group? Did it work? Why (or why not?)  What would be your criteria for the perfect writer’s group?

 

 

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1. Merrilee Faber - August 13, 2008

A couple of years ago I went along to a few meetings of the local writing group, but it was too big – 12+ members on any night, and the scope was too wide – from poetry to literary to genre. I found it required too much energy input for what I got out of it. So a writing friend and I tried to start our own group. We had 4 members, 3 of whom were serious. It was going along quite well, but then I moved states.

I’ve been unable to find a group over here. The local SFF writers group don’t even meet anymore, and their mailing list is as silent as the grave. So, like you, I’m relying on blogging friends for inspiration!

I agree with your list of what you would want in a writing group. I just wish it was easy to find like-minded writers.

2. Bobbi's Book Nook - August 13, 2008

Hey Becca, here’s a link to my blog on this topic:
http://mymuseandme.blogspot.com/2008/08/write-on-wednesday_12.html.

3. deirdre - August 13, 2008

I’ve belonged to a group for about 14 years. We’ve been through changes and have grown as a group as well as writers. We’ve only begun giving clear feedback in the past couple years – mostly we support the creative process and encourage each other to write. I don’t know what I’d do without these women, not just as a writer, but as a person too. There are five of us, a perfect size group.

4. gautami tripathy - August 13, 2008
5. mizb17 - August 13, 2008

I’ve belonged to a writer’s group… here are my thoughts:
http://mizwrites.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/wow-group-effort/

MizB

6. gigidiaz - August 13, 2008
7. Redness - August 14, 2008

Becca you’re brilliant – I adore groups … I’ve shared my experiences and thoughts, Thank You so much.

8. nik - August 14, 2008
9. anno - August 14, 2008

I keep thinking that a group would be a good idea, but I haven’t found the one that would work. Some have failed because they were too large (10+ people), others because they tried to meet too frequently, and others because, well, ahem, one of two of the members monopolized all the discussions.

My daughter, though, has belonged to several writing groups (6-8 students, moderated by an adult) and loved the experience.

These days I seem to work better with a writing buddy (my husband!). We meet once a week, exchange a piece, sip some wine, talk about our work. If it doesn’t keep me writing every week, it means I at least keep thinking about it. Someday, if I ever have anything better developed than a blog post, I might try to find another writing buddy, but for now, this works.

Good luck with your quest for the right group — it sounds like you are refining your list of things to ask for. For some reason, reminds me of Anne Lamott’s experience (in Bird by Bird?) where she & her family made a list of the things they were looking for in a house (including a tree growing through it!). The more specific you can be, the better!

10. Seachanges - August 14, 2008

Hi Becca: back from deep Wales and I’v found your post at long last! (not your fault: but the fact that Wales is sooo deep!). No, I’ve never been part of a writer’s group – I actually really very much enjoy this virtual blogger’s network – being able to share the agony, frustrations etc, even if I have a busy working life. And sorry that I haven’t posted anything on this, although my wild guess might have been very much in line with what you were thinking about: how do you share and think about your own and others’ writing woes? In the end, what you write about will always remain quite a lonely business, don’t you think? It becomes fab only when other people recognise it as good! It’s really great the way you make me (us) think about this!

11. Linda - August 14, 2008

Becca,

I’ve posted a response here: http://variousandsundryitemsofinterest.blogspot.com/2008/08/writers-groups.html

I’ve been reading along on your blog and thinking my responses–which doesn’t help much, does it? Then I wrote some. Late. This time, I actually wrote AND posted! And now I want to read the book you mentioned.

12. Bree - August 15, 2008

Here’s my late post. I hope you find a group in your area.
http://thethingsweread.blogspot.com/2008/08/write-on-wednesday-or-maybe-friday.html

13. shoreacres - August 18, 2008

Becca,

It’s an interesting, relevant question because a friend and I have just decided to discontinue attending a Writers’ Critique Group after participating for 8 months. The group, with 6-10 participants, meets twice monthly. The members are serious, committed to the group and to their writing, but it became clear to me that if I were to set aside an entire evening for writing, I would be better off writing than attending the group.

To put it in the simplest terms, I found the group couldn’t match my blog readers for cogent criticism, stimulating discussion and support. I spend as much time – or more – formulating responses to readers’ comments as I do writing my original posts, and the effort has paid off tremendously.

I’m learning how to deal with rejection, criticism, disagreement and philosophical differences in my comments section, helping me grow as a person and as a writer. Beyond that, having consistent readers who notice and remark on my growth as a writer is extraordinarily helpful – and fun!

Time is such an issue. One of the realities of life is that I have more time to develop writing-related relationships on the internet because I can do it at 2 a.m. It would take the rest of my natural life to spend as much time with the writing group as I already have with some of my readers.

The one piece of writing advice I hope never to forget is this: Be careful who you listen to, because you’ll begin to sound like them.
Just now, I have readers whose voices I trust as much as my own – so that’s where I’m “grouping” just now!

Linda